יום שלישי, נובמבר 08, 2005

Campus Comedy

My friend in London writes about his campus:

"I have to encounter student activists manning 'road-blocks' on campus by an 'apartheid' wall and yelling at students to show ID. When they asked me for mine I answered that I was a Palestinian suicide bomber, and could I please pass so I could blow people up."

7 Comments:

At 1:34 אחה״צ, Blogger Elizabeth said...

A few years ago the Israeli human rights group B'tselem did a study indicating most suicide bombers actually went through checkpoints. Which is particularly odd given that Palestinian women in labor on their way to the hospital have sometimes had to give birth at checkpoints because they weren't allowed through. It doesn't seem like a good way to prevent terrorism...

By the way I posted a definition of "ego ideal" in relation to your question in the other discussion.

 
At 9:08 אחה״צ, Blogger YS said...

Thanks, I'l go take a look. I agree, almost all did go through checkpoints because no search can be %100 effective. In medical reserch and testing there is always a number of "false positive" and "false negitive". The question is what would be a better way to prevent terrorists?

 
At 5:22 לפנה״צ, Blogger Elizabeth said...

How about ending the occupation, and concentrate on securing Israel's borders instead of posting checkpoints in the West Bank to protect the settlers and/or harass the Palestinians?

 
At 7:15 אחה״צ, Blogger YS said...

Does that mean we unilaterally set borders?
Even so we would still need checkpoints coming in and out of (however we would choose to define) Israel because most Arabs hold jobs in pre-'67 Israel. So the question remains: How do we stop the terrorists from crossing a border and still allow easy passage for innocent civilians?
I think it's a question most countries are wresteling with these days.

 
At 7:08 לפנה״צ, Blogger Elizabeth said...

I guess what I mainly meant was that if the occupation were ended, and the Palestinians had freedom and economic opportunities within the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, there would be fewer terrorists. Most Palestinians are willing to accept a 2-state solution, so what would the rationale of most terrorists be if the occupation was ended? Of course you can't please everyone and there still would be some terrorism, but that's just the way it is. We had a terrorist incident in the U.S. in Oklahoma City 10 years ago that killed more than 100 people; there aren't any checkpoints in Oklahoma City to prevent future attacks. You have to accept if you want to live in a free society there will always be some people who want to kill people, for any reason or no reason in particular, and you cannot bring society to a standstill to try to prevent these attacks.

 
At 12:53 אחה״צ, Anonymous YS said...

"Most Palestinians are willing to accept a 2-state solution, so what would the rationale of most terrorists be if the occupation was ended?"

Correct. Most are willing to accept a 2-state solution. Most Palestinians are also not committing acts of terror. I think the ones who are committing acts of terror are devout followers of the "drive them into the sea" school of thought. Having a 2-state solution would not pacify such folks. Of course we can know in advance, but hindsight might be two late.
For the terrorists, would a state on part of the area formerly known as British Mandate Palestine suffice?

 
At 11:55 לפנה״צ, Blogger Elizabeth said...

It's hard to know. Hamas has given vague answers in response to this question.
The refugee issue must be resolved. The sooner this issue is dealt with, the better, because they are the ones with the homes and roots in Israel.
But in any case, as I said, there will always be a few people who won't accept any compromise. You can't hold 3 million people hostage because of a few people. If someone told me that the price of my life was keeping 3 million people in misery, I would say "kill me now".

 

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